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Interview with Dr. John Hanley - Page 3

INT: Where did you do the research that led you to this interest and belief that a more action-oriented approach would produce lasting results?

JH: Well, I think the name of the outfit was the National Training Labs, and that came out of the National Institute of Education and National Institute of Health.  And it just so happened that a guy named Jerry Fletcher, who had a Ph.D. in education, was one of our first contacts.  And wouldn't you know it?  This guy is an expert in learning per se.  And we had heard about National Training Labs and the work that they had done with the Korean War veterans returning home.  They had helped them shift their ground of being from one of war-time to peace-time, now that you're home reconstituting yourself for a sort of job and family.  And the way they were talking about it, the National Training Labs, anyway, was that if you could get people to experience something, you could cut down the time it took for people to really get something of value, because in-lecture learning took three or four or five times as long as experiential learning.  So those are the two, the National Training Labs and Dr. Jerry Fletcher are the two that helped us most there.

INT: And Dr. Fletcher was a part of the National Training Labs?

JH: No, he worked for the National Institute of Education in Washington D.C.

INT: Is that a government entity?

JH: It is, yes.

INT: And is the National Institute of Health, which you said the National Training Labs was a part of, a government entity as well?

JH: Yeah, I can't be 100% on that.  I don't know that the National Training Labs was a part of the National Institute of Education or Health, but I think it was.

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